Page 20. So you get to have this experience with language that feels somewhat disjointed, and in that way almost feels like, Oh, this makes more sense as the language for our human experience than, lets say, a news report.. Krista Tippett founded and leads "The On Being Project," hosts the globally esteemed On Being public radio show and podcast, and curates the "Civil Conversat. the drama, and the acquaintances suicide, the long-lost And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. red glare and then there are the bombs. And its page six of. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways we've only begun to process and fathom. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. Tippett: I think grief is something that is very We have so much to grieve even as we have so much to walk towards. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower Can you locate that? And the Lilly Endowment, an Indianapolis-based, private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion, community development, and education. Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. Its a source of a spiritual thoughtfulness that runs through this conversation with Krista. The Adventure of Civility. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. And that there was this break when we moved from pictographic language, which is characters which directly refer to the things spoken, and when we moved to the phonetic alphabet. Interesting. The British psychologist Kimberley Wilson works in the emergent field of whole body mental health, one of the most astonishing frontiers we are on as a species. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. And one of them this is also on The Hurting Kind is Lover, which is page 77. What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said, No. Tippett: So can we just engage in this intellectual exercise with you because its completely fascinating and Im not sure whats going on, and Id like you to tell me. And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in . Thats page 95. And so thats really a lot of how I was raised. So, On Preparing the Body for a Reopened World.. We want to meet what is hard and hurting. squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover. This is not a problem. And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. So its a very special place. Black bark, slick yellow leaves, a kind of stillness that feels, We point out the stars that make Orion as we take out. Nov 28, 2022. in an endless cave, the song that says my bones I just saw her. [laughter] I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. This might be hard for some of you right here. I cannot reverse it, the record, chaotic track. I write the year, seems like a year you And to feel that moment of everyone recognizing what it is to kind of look out for one another and have to do that in the antithesis of who we are, which was to separate. I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful Ocean Vuong right on the cusp of that turning, in March 2020, in a joyful and crowded room full of podcasters in Brooklyn. But in reality its home to so many different kind of wildlife. But at a deeper level, she says, we are trapped in a pattern of distress known as high conflict where the conflict itself has become the point, and it sweeps everything into its vortex. the pummeling of youth. Free shipping for many products! Yeah. And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine.. I cannot reverse it, the record Maybe that speaks for itself. I trust those moments where it feels like, Oh, right, this is a weird. Language is strange, and its evolving. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. Why are all these blank spaces? It has silence built all around it. And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Weve come this far, survived this much. if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified, if we launched our demands into the sky, made ourselves so big. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. red helmet, I rode And it sounds like thunder? So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? Limn: I remember having this experience I was sort of very deeply alone during the early days of the pandemic when my husbands work brought him to another state. the collar, constriction of living. Nothing, nothing is funny. I wonder if Im here again today or in a new place. And that was really essential to my practice of who I was as a creative person in the middle of such an enormous tragedy. And I feel like the thing that always kept coming back to me, especially in the early days was, What does it do? Well right now it anchors you to the world again and again and again. Limn: Yeah. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Yeah. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. But its also a land that is really incredibly beautiful and special and sacred in a lot of different ways. [Laughter] I feel like I could hear that response, right? In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-, fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body, thing, forever close-eyed, under a green plant, in the ground, under the feast up above. strong and between sleep, What, she asks, if we get this right? Okay, Im going to give you some choices. And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. Tippett: And then a trauma of the pandemic was that our breathing became a danger to strangers and beloveds. [audience laughs] But instead to really have this moment of, Oh, no, its our work together to see one another. That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. She loves the ocean. We speak the language of questions. We prioritize busyness. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?, And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is?. Thats such a wonderful question. Theres how I dont answer the phone, and how I sometimes like to lie down on the floor in the kitchen and pretend Im not home when people knock. And there was an ease, I think, that living in the head-only world was kind of a poets dream on some level. Alice Parker is a wise and joyful thinker and writer on this truth, and has been a hero in the universe of choral music as a composer . And I am so thrilled to have this conversation with Ada Limn to be part of our first season. is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Krista Tippett (ne Weedman; born November 9, 1960) is an American journalist, author, and entrepreneur. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. and snowshoes, maple and seeds, samara and shoot, Yeah. There is also an ordinary and abundant unfolding of dignity and care and generosity, of social creativity and evolution and breakthrough. So its this weird moment of being aware of it and then also letting it go at the same time. to the field, something to get through before Limn: Exactly. A friend But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. On Being with Krista Tippett is about focusing on the immensity of our lives. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us, breath to breath and hour to hour, as much in who we are and how we are present as in whatever we do. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. We are fluent in the story of our time marked by catastrophe and dysfunction. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. the nectar lovers, and we I think there are things we all learned also. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. Tacos. Because you did write a great essay called Taco Truck Saved my Marriage.. with a new hosta under the main feeder. It feels important to me, right now, because I want to talk to you about this a little bit, what weve been through. And this, it turns out, is also a primary source of his tethering in values. To be made whole Theres daytime silent when I stare, and nighttime silent when I do things. is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. Tippett: To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? [2] Her guests include the 14th Dalai Lama, Maya Angelou, Mohammed Fairouz, Desmond Tutu, Thich Nhat Hanh, Rosanne Cash, Wangari Maathai, Yo-Yo Ma, Paulo Coehlo . To be swallowed And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. For me, I have pain, so Ive moved through the body in pain. now even when it is ordinary. Tippett: I have your books, and theres some, too. And for us, it was Sundays. Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. I just saw her. My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. A student of change and of how groups change together. Why are all these blank spaces? It has silence built all around it. Foundations 4: Calling and Wholeness On Being with Krista Tippett Society & Culture In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. What. are your bones, and your bones are my bones, And I think its in that category. What is the thesis word or the wind? on all sides with want. What is the thesis word or the wind? We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways weve only begun to process and fathom. This is like a self-care poem. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity . Its the . Find them at, Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. What. Good conflict. Technology and vitality. Her volume The Carrying won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her book Bright Dead Things was a finalist for the National Book Award. And when you say I know one shouldnt take poems apart like this, but The thesis is the river. What does that mean? Replenishment and invigoration in your inbox. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. of the mother and the child and the father and the child But its also a land that is really incredibly beautiful and special and sacred in a lot of different ways. And honestly, this feels to me like if I were teaching a college class, I would have somebody read this poem and say, Discuss.. What was it? This conversation shines a light on an emerging ecosystem in our world over and against the drumbeat of what is fractured and breaking: working with the complex fullness of reality, and cultivating old and new ways of seeing, to move towards a transformative wholeness of living. We can forget this. Musings and tools to take into your week. Now, somethings, breaking always on the skyline, falling over Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. And it was just me, the dog, and the cat, and the trees. writes the word lover in a note and Im strangely, excited for the word lover to come back. The next-generation marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson would let that reality of belonging show us the way forward. She is a former host of the poetry podcast The Slowdown, and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. Written and read by I really love . So anyway, I got The Hurting Kind, the galley in the mail from Milkweed. And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. I think this poem, for me, is very much about learning to find a home and a sense of belonging in a world where being at peace is actually frowned upon. Find Krista Tippett's email address, contact information, LinkedIn, Twitter, other social media and more. So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. just the bottlebrush alive Tippett: I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. Limn: Yeah. This hour, Krista draws out her creative and pragmatic inquiry: Could we let ourselves be led by what we already know how to do, and by what we have it in us to save? We value the ancient power of storytelling, and we get that good stories require conflict, characters and scene. All came, and still comes, from the natural world. Robin is a botanist and also a member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. so mute its almost in another year. its like staring into an original 25 Sep. 2014. And then I kept thinking, What are the other things I can do that with?. Yes I am. But I trust those moments. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? Krista Tippett leaves public radio. I think I enjoy getting older. No, question marks. and desperate, enough of the brutal and the border, Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. As we turn the corner from pandemic, although we will not completely turn the corner, I just wanted to read something you wrote on Twitter, which was hilarious. the collar, constriction of living. Tippett: The thesis. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. Silence, which we dont get enough of. but I was loved each place. body. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. An accomplished journalist, author, and entrepreneur, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2014. On her show she promoted her new book, Einstein's God, and if the show is any indication, this new enterprise promises to be a fun fest for people inclined . All year, Ive said, You know whats funny? and over against the ground, sometimes. Tippett: Were back at the natural world of metaphors and belonging. Precisely at a moment like this, of vast aching open questions and very few answers we can agree on, our questions themselves become powerful tools for living and growing. We think time is always time. Limn: I do think I enjoy it. And this is about your childhood, right? With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Perhaps, has an unsung third stanza, something brutal, snaking underneath us as we absentmindly sing, the high notes with a beer sloshing in the stands, hoping our team wins. beneath us, and I was just She is a former host of the poetry podcast, The Slowdown, and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. On Being is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. We prioritize busyness. and then, And also that notion and these are other things you said that poetry recognizes our wholeness. I write. Between Its so interesting because I feel like one of the things as you age, as an artist, as a human being, you start to rethink the stories that people have told you and start to wonder what was useful and what was not useful. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. Im Krista Tippett, and this is On Being. Science and the Human Spirit. Good, good. Tippett: Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. the ground and the feast is where I live now. And the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is Cameron Kinghorn. And its true. All came, and still comes, from the natural world. Yeah. Sometimes it feels like language and poetry, I often start with sounds. Alice Parker Singing Is the Most Companionable of Arts. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. Ada Limn. Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. Tippett has interviewed guests ranging from poets to physicists, doctors to historians, artists to activists. We were brought together in a collaboration between Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Milkweed Editions. It began as "Speaking of Faith" in July 2003, and was renamed On Being in 2010. Limn: I think its very dangerous not to have hope. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. Yet what Amanda has gone on to investigate and so, so helpfully illuminate is not just about journalism, or about politics. [Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating]. And just as there are callings for a life, there are callings for our time. I think thats very true. Deeper truths and larger stories of ourselves as societies, as a planet, as humans, that at once complicate and enliven our capacity to live with dignity and joy and wholeness. And I think its in that category. I am a hearth of spiders these days: a nest of trying. And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. is a murderous light, so strong. s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. , and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. Many of us were having different experiences. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. I feel like our breath is so important to how we move through the world, how we react to things. Right now we are in a fast river together every day there are changes that seemed unimaginable until they occurred. adrienne maree brown and others use many words and phrases to describe what she does, and who she is: A student of complexity. And I think about that all the time. So its a very special place. Limn: And to feel that moment of everyone recognizing what it is to kind of look out for one another and have to do that in the antithesis of who we are, which was to separate. So its actually about fostering yourself in the sun, in the right place, creating the right habitat. Tippett: It also says something about this time. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. Where being at ease is not okay. Join our weekly ritual of a newsletter, The Pause, delivered to your inbox every Saturday morning. of the world is both gaze We understand love as the most reliably transformative muscle of human wholeness, and we investigate the workings of love as public practice. I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-. And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. Dont get me wrong, I do, like the flag, how it undulates in the wind. So is his love and study of the farmer-poet Wendell Berry, whose audiobook The Need to Be Whole Nick just recorded. with their fish tanks or eight-tracks or Which makes me laugh, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. And I was in the backyard by myself, as many of us were by ourselves. Limn: Kind of true. Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. I think thats something we didnt know how to talk about. It has ever and always been true, David Whyte reminds us, that so much of human experience is a conversation between loss and celebration. The Fetzer Institute, supporting a movement of organizations applying spiritual solutions to societys toughest problems. Limn: That you can be joyful and you can actually be really having a wonderful time. No, to the rising tides. to pick with whoever is in charge. Krista Tippett, Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. And its a very interesting thing to be a kid that goes back and forth, and Im sure many people have this experience or have had that experience, where youre moving from one home to another. Its a prose poem. [laughter] Sometimes its just staring out the window. Silence, which we dont get enough of. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course. And even as it relieves us of the need to sum everything up. Join our constellation of listening and living. Once it has been witnessed, and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary, now even when it is ordinary. , which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. I also think aging is underrated. April 4, 2008. Tippett: as you said, to give instruction or answers, where to give answers would be to disrespect the gravity of the questions. We understand questions as technologies and virtues as social arts. letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and But we dont need to belabor that. And both parents all four of my parents, I should say would point those things out, that special quality of connectedness that the natural world offers us. She hosted On Being on the radio for about two decades. The bright side is not talked about. If you think about it, its not a good, song. And I remember sitting on my sofa where I spent an inordinate amount of time, and reading it. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? A dream. We inhabit a liminal time between what we thought we knew and what we cant quite yet see. how the wind shakes a tree in a storm And you mentioned that when you wrote this, when was it that you wrote it? Where some of you were like, Eww, as soon as I said it. What a time to be alive, adrienne maree brown has written. And the Sonoma Coast is a really special place in terms of how its been preserved and protected throughout the years. by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, So would you read, its called Before, page 46. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. And its true. 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